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'Not enough space' for spinning wheels and stoves

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In recent days I have experienced chronic problems placing both stoves and spinning wheels in Legacy Exploration; and spinning wheels in the new Exploration game. Other things such as beds, weaving looms and tanning racks place OK. The error message is 'not enough space'. In some cases I can eventually place the item if I try over and over... up to a dozen or more times may be required. In the past I have also experienced problems placing other work stations, but I haven't tried recently, so I don't know the status of those issues.

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This issue does not relate to ships. Generally the circumstances are simply on areas close to beaches, but not on the beach. Essentially any rather flat, uncluttered area on an island; areas where typically I never had problems before and where weaving looms, tanning racks and bamboo beds are easily placed on the ground.  When I have the red ghost/glare, showing that the placement will not work, I have often carried it around to see if it will place anywhere at all; and it won't.  In the rare instance when it is  placeable, it shows no red even in the beginning. It is an all or nothing sort of thing. I hope this helps. I cannot understand why I can be having this problem and you cannot immediately reproduce it! (But then I am clueless about the many problems of programming.) Again, if one makes repeated attempts, it usually does place, but after 8 or 10 attempts I just give up in total frustration. Thanks for looking into this!

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Makes me wonder if it is touching the ground. Did you try holding the right mouse button and hitting the J key to move it down a bit to the ground? Blueprints have been doing this as well. Something has changed with entity placement. Other people have been reporting blocks not snapping together because it was off by .02 degrees. Try freeplacing if that doesn't work by pressing V. Also make sure you are placing the items away from you direct personal space. The closer it gets to your feet, anything will say not enough space.

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I will try that, Spiritchaser28, and report back, but it doesn't make sense to me. Even it it works, it is still a bug. It is a workaround only; but it might be useful information. When, despite the red glare, I go ahead anyway and click my left mouse button I get the error "not enough space'.  Anyway, yes, I will try it just to see what happen.

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So here are my results today.

Today I had no problems at placing stoves, in either Legacy Exploration or in the new Experimental Exploration. But previously I did have trouble with stoves as I said in my first posting above.

The only problem today is with spinning wheels, and this occurred in both versions of Exploration. But the details are interesting. First I tried repeatedly (4 times) to place a spinning wheel with no success, even after moving it down with Rt-Hold-J method. I was able to move the spinning wheel up and down, but no position helped. And this was true in both versions of Exploration.

The first tests within Legacy Exploration today were in a game I had recently added Cube (with Editor), but I was experimenting (at first) only with crafting; not using Cube. So, it was not a normal survival game anymore, you could say. But when I tried to place a spinning wheel using Cube, it placed without problem! AND, from that point on, I could ALSO now place spinning wheel with crafting without problem.

I then tried another Legacy Exploration game and had no problems placing anything, including spinning wheels. But in recent days I have had trouble placing spinning wheels in several Legacy Exploration games, not just one game. I have also had trouble placing stoves; but not today.

Then I went back to the new Exploration (Experimental) again and once again I could NOT place spinning wheels, even with doing the U/J 'free place' mode. No problem with stoves.

This is all the tests I am willing to do. I not a testing technician; I am a game user simply hoping to have some fun. But thanks for anything you can do.

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And, by the way, I do truly love this game... or at least its potential. And I have had much fun with it. But unless it solves bugs such as this... would I recommend this game to a friend? I think I would say to him or her: It has great potential. But there are problems. Check back in a few months. And yes, there are other bugs that I have not even mentioned that annoy me, such as the fact that Control-drag between inventory and chest (to get part of a stack moved over) only sometimes works.

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I remember when I first started the new exploration I had the same issue with spinning wheels, but after trying to craft and place it a couple times it placed fine. That was only on the initial spawn island that I encountered the issue. All the other spinning wheels I have placed in the game have given me no issues.

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Spiritchaser28, that is interesting! Thank you! I will do some tests on some of the other islands in my experimental exploration game, just out of my own curiosity. There is so much of programming that is a mystery. How can things be so patterned, yet still be so unpredictable? I don't know how to say what I am trying to say. Truly a mystery, to me at least. I suppose we just have to lay it at the feet of complexity. Complexity often leads to unpredictability, while still offering some degree of patterning.

By the way--and here I may be justifiably scolded for being so off-topic--I am discovering that I enjoy the contacts, like this one, with people like you who are strangers to me. I discovered the same with zarwill who, like you too, helped me with ships. By the way (again!), I like your 'Don't Panic' theme. I am trying to keep that in mind these days. Sometimes I use gaming in almost an obsessive way as a defense against anxiety and panic. WAY off topic and too much information? I'll stop now and promise to reign myself in. ?

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What spiritchaser28  reported suggested a workaround.

Before this problem asserted itself I had indeed put spinning wheels and most other work stations on my experimental Exploration home island without problems. This was weeks ago.. But in the past several days,  I was not able to put another spinning wheel anywhere on that island. So, after reading spiritchaser28's report I went over to one of my nearby islands and tried to place a spinning wheel there, and it worked fine. Then, when I returned immediately back to my home island, I could place one there as well, just fine! 

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it has happened to me  few times   also  with wicker baskets  or  barrels ....    using    f      to rotate them ... them ,  then  swapping back to the  hand  and then re  crafting  them  and  moving ... it would fix that issue with that item

as it  always  happened   either on a ship being built near the shore ..or  near the shoreline, i suspect it might have to do with the "unable to dig underwater"  problem.  maybe the  game  thinks the item in  the hand is a spade?  

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Yeah something is slightly off on the grid when placing items. It is really noticeable if you place a carpet for instance. initially part of the carpet will be embedded in the ground or floor blocks or hull of a ship. But if you rotate it, it straightens out. It's like the world got knocked off it's axis by a small degree. On a side note I am glad the devs finally decided to start carpet placement closer to the ground. It used to hover in the air and if you just clicked it dropped to the ground....a lot of times in a place you didn't want so you would have to pick it back up and start placement over by using U, J and F.

 

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I think for boats, it starts on the world axis, and then when you rotate it, it switches to the boat axis.

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