kimbuck 746 Posted June 16, 2018 I was just advised by a friend that on NA9 ..(a PVE public server) she met up with "adolf" the griefer who ruined our help stations on spawn island and who harassed and killed and robbed me. Now he has hunted down and killed and robbed her. She made the wonderful help station on NA9, and moved to another island to be away from any harassment. I have seen this griefer's base ..he has no work stations, and all his stuff is obviously looted from players he has killed. He went from nothing to wearing armor and carrying weapons in just a very short time and i recognized the armor ( it had been dyed) - it came from a friend...who was killed and robbed of all his stuff just hours before. As there are no moderators on public servers, removing the PVP would at least reduce the griefing to nuisance acts only..and not this "kill and rob" form of unfair play. This "Adolf" admits he is there for the PVP and has stated openly as long as it is enabled on any server he will act this way. He is apparently moving throughout the islands on NA 9 seeking and killing all the players he can. He has obviously ran out of victims on the spawn island. So theres two things here : 1) Petition BI to make PVE games on public servers non PVP if they can, and have it displayed prominently on the join screen and 2) If you see an "Adolf" arrive on your server, expect trouble. Either move to another server or move all essential crops like cotton and food into an enclosure where he cannot get in and either steal it or destroy it... wall in your entire protection barrier area and expect him to harass you either verbally or by other griefing means. He will place bear traps around your building entrances and where you mine resources and he will build ramps of dirt as close as he can to your PB edge so he can jump over walls. After he has done his griefing he will use the unstuck command to escape. He will tame every horse he sees and name them after ww2 war criminals ..some names offensive to those who endured the holacaust. He will steal ships take them to his base and deconstruct them and use the materials for his own ships. He will also cut down every tree around your base. ( I have his BI account ref. for any pvte PVE server admin if they ask for it) If he wants to play PVP he should go to a PVP server...if he is game. Ok - some of you will complain about me calling him a griefer. All i can say is you have been warned. But please BI. - think about the non PVP option... And as a addition: If Dustbunny and Whosur.. who were on spawn and killed by Adolf ( or others from our PVE group) see this post, message either me or BB to get details on how to move to the pvte server we are currently on. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBoss87 68 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) I find it difficult to disable PVP. The game is designed to have total freedom to do what we want. Hence the existence of the protective barrier.I think you could warn the players, and destroy him. It's not about being better or worse but about dealing with a hostile player.If the players of this server deal with this he will abandon the game because he is lazy and a thief. I already hate Adolf! I Edited June 16, 2018 by BigBoss87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 17, 2018 Well ... -----he has destroyed everyone else's ability to advance into the game on that server. There are virtually no resources available on spawn to build weaponry to defend, and besides he gets you as soon as you arrive and before you can set up your PB. Once hes run out of raw meat to kill he will undoubtedly move onto another server ... and repeat.. Ylands explore should be a game devoid of racism, homophobia, rl politics, anti semitism and unnecessary violence towards those who just want to play the game for its creative functions etc. It doesn't need offensive words and names. But that is utopia ..which doesn't exist anywhere on this world. Of course Adolph is a legitimate name, so is Heinrich, Josef, and other first names... and BI cannot do much about that, but in the game when they associate themselves with things named after war criminals, murderous dictators, or names of ww2 concentration camps, or just adding letters "ss" after a Germanic name of a horse... its obvious that the player is doing roleplay of someone distasteful and who they admire as a "hero". This guy Adolf is just a bully, who looks for easy targets to make himself feel big and good. He is not the only one of this type in Ylands. His physical age is unimportant but his mental age is that of a pre-pubescent teen. The protective barrier will only protect you from dying of starvation etc when offline but it will not prevent some bully from killing you and stealing your possessions. It will stop people destroying buildings and modifying terrain etc, but it wont stop them stripping crops like cotton , and also using an exploit to cut down trees etc within the barrier. It will not stop people using an exploit to bypass locked doors and when inside your property, clearing out all the chests and container's contents. You have to lock containers inside your building and also place panels on the inside of doorways to block exploits if you are going to be offline for a while. It will not stop people hiding bear traps outside doors or in places to catch you. It will not stop people from killing your tamed horses or animals in pens. I was killed inside my PB area while distracted replacing items that had previously been stolen from one of my plantations... which were placed to help new arrivals. So far the only safe MP game is on a pvte moderated MP password protected server. Which spoils the fun, because on a public server you can meet and make new friends with some really nice decent people who like the non violence and find it enjoyable to co operate as a community. The unique Ylands name is a small step in the right direction, but then for BI to moderate the servers would take a lot of resources away from the games development. Also, moderation has to be independent ... and have a means of verifying griefing etc. otherwise anybody could accuse and use the process to to hurt anyone else... a different form of griefing. There are pvp servers...if people like that type of play they are welcome to it. They should go there. BI need to think more about making PVE less subject to this unwanted griefing etc. I have had several friends stop playing Ylands because they are tired of not being able to advance into the game to explore all its features etc because some people like to get their jollys destroying others creative efforts. I have mentioned Ylands to other friends but they won't buy the game because they are concerned about the griefing drama .. they found it on other MP games and assume correctly Ylands is no different. My sympathy and thoughts to those offended by Adolf's anti social behavior. Now back to my creating on a password protected server... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indomitus 388 Posted June 17, 2018 Do you know where his base is? I'm on there, managed to get off spawn and build up a bit, and I'm feeling slightly sadistic today. Regarding moderating: If BI were to allow it, I would have suggested all moderators band together, exchanging offenders and evidence, and deciding on consistent and fair repercussions for repeat offenders. Maybe even in a locked subforum right here. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBoss87 68 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) @Indomitus Enjoy this feeling to help fellow @kimbuck Knocking down Adolf is the responsibility of the population of this server I think moderation in a game is only meant to prevent dealing with offensive players! Edited June 17, 2018 by BigBoss87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bojo2736 1016 Posted June 17, 2018 I got back to my base to find doors I had locked wide open. No idea how. The only keys were in my inventory and Kim had a set. I died by my own trap, so I know it is effective. Some thoughts on griefers in the public forums. In a perfect world, two things would happen. Tag items with who made them. Make it so known griefers could only use items they crafted them selves. Have a few volunteer moderators. Give them the ability in public severs to put players in "time out" - suspend their ability to connect to public servers pending BI review. This particular asshat needs to be banned from everything on the public servers as far as I'm concerned for his hateful, vile, and totally voluntary use of Nazi imagery. Add in his bully tactics and he is torally toxic to the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) @Indomitus My base is/was the big grey building to the left of spawn with all the trees ( unless hes cut them down again) ---- BB's Base is the working/help area. Apparently someone manged to break into some of her buildings (using an exploit?) and pilfer a lot of materials .. also our fellow member of our group DK who was on top if the building has been terminated. If you continue around clockwise past the help area eventually you will arrive at piles of dirt dumped as a screen that's his base,,, there's no workstations as he doesn't craft ..he just kills and robs the bodies. He has a wooden pier and last time i saw a ship hull there. As he has a elaborate ship already , i suspect that hull is whats left of someone else's ship he has deconstructed for materials for his ship. Look for his horse Auschwitz ( how nice!) . Grab a sceenshot with the name and post it here som all can see the proof of his anti-social offensive actions etc.You will also see quite a few robbed bodies laying around. Unfortunately, he will keep returning ... and maybe its better he is left on NA9 to play with himself rather than have him moving to other servers to destroy/harass their communities. Whenever i log in to NA 9 to see if all is safe in my base, and he is on line, within minutes he arrives at my base and runs around looking to see if i will come out. He usually places a bear trap at my front door. - If that's not harassment or griefing, then what is it? My base on the pvte server is coming along nicely ...i have learned a few extra artistic building skills which you cannot do when looking over your shoulder for any trouble sneaking up on you. Actually, theres a lot of materials stored inside my base - i am feeling tempted to sneak back and craft up a batch of weapons and perhaps surprise him should he decide to return to harass me. I have been the passive player, as BB and others who know me can confirm. But sometimes a gal has to be a bitch ...and the elastic from my thong makes a great bow string and a bra a double barreled slingshot. Anyway it is bed time here, and as the fakir said when he hammered nails into a sheet of wood, "its time to sleep on it" Edited June 17, 2018 by kimbuck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indomitus 388 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) On NA 9, Conan is also a hostile. Found my base. Everything's locked, but I have to start over with my weapons and armor. Edit: I got a screenshot of their full ID, if anyone needs it. Another edit: Conan now has a GUN, by the way. It's mine. I'd like it back. Edited June 17, 2018 by Indomitus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBoss87 68 Posted June 17, 2018 It's time of war! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bojo2736 1016 Posted June 17, 2018 In case there was any misunderstanding Adolf's intentions... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1414853598 for some reason I can't up load it here. This was built just at the edge of Kim's barrier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 17, 2018 OMG thats totally offensive and yes, it proves that his name "Adolf" is who he is role playing. Conan is also an aggressive player on NA9 He also denuded the area around BB's place and also mine by cutting down all our trees. I apologies to any Holocaust survivor for that distasteful shrine near my place. It looks like I have to go back and remove it,,, after i craft some weaponry and Armour. I Hope BI sees that image and takes action on Adolf's account ..hes going to do that wherever he goes and its not nice for Ylands reputation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 17, 2018 I just returned to look at my place in NA9 ... the griefer has used some form of exploit to get inside and filled my place with campfires, flint, bananas and other rubbish .. he also placed on the wall a message " Adolf was here . get rect" ( German slang for wrecked) The upper floor is filled with unlit campfires. I have appealed to Ane for a Ylands account ban this guys going to far.. its more that PVP Its harassment and BI will lose players if this type of action is allowed to continue. i havent been outside yet but expect theres more and i cannot upload screenshots at the moment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indomitus 388 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) After cooling down for a few hours, I've decided I'm done with NA 9. With my base compromised, and no good way to really secure it again, I can't do anything with it. I haven't been back, but I can only assume the trees and such are all gone, and the area around the base has been disfigured in some way. BOHEMIA: How about a wipe and complete reset on Explore NA 9? And we all need to seriously discuss what kind of moderation measures BI has in mind for the future. If it doesn't change, Online MP will be completely unplayable, and BI will lose players in droves. I'm going to fall back to SP for a while to clear my head, maybe try a couple huge builds. Edited June 17, 2018 by Indomitus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 17, 2018 ok guys explain this .. and also BI explain how .. I am in a locked up place with all doors bricked up . Adolf has got in and put up slogans etc inside my place and filled it with rubbish While i was crafting new tool,s he entered the building ...dont know how and killed me after first dismantling the forge i was using...even though its inside an active PB! Well BI ? what p;;protection are you going to give players in PVE from assholes like Adolf? Do you want people to play your game? Seriously you have to do something... as i can see you losing players.. I wont be going to NA 9 again to clean up /.you can wear that offensive signage and such! Am i angry YES Others playing MP be warned . The protection barrier is just a blue light that stops you starving when offline and allows you to deconstruct things ... ITS NOT ABLE TO PROTECT YOU! THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY EXPLOITS THAT ALLOW GRIEFERS LIKE ADOLF TO ENTER YOUR PROPERTY, DESTROY YOUR PROPERTY AND KILL YOU at will ... and wreck your game enjoyment its not worth playing MP on a public server. until BI acknowledge these faults and fix them. Please BI wake up and do something to make the game safe and really PEGI 7 !!!! And those of you who think this griefer behavior is funny... and laugh .. then you are no better than the anti social misfits who are causing this trouble. i TRIED TO UPLOAD LOG FILES SO YOU COULD LOOK AND SEE HOW THE pb WAS RENDERED INEFFECTIVE BUT AS USUAL ITS NOT WORKING AND UNABLE TO UPLOAD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBoss87 68 Posted June 18, 2018 I'll be honest. I found it funny how you describe everything that happened in your game. That's just it. I've been very upset for much less. I think everyone who likes Ylands doesn't like this kind of attitude in the game but he comes in and makes this whole mess and even leaving notes on the wall is funny.Obviously there is work to do in relation to this and the team will look at this situation and learn from it but it takes a bit of calm.I didn't even dare play on public servers because I knew this was going to happen to me so I don't think it was right but I found it funny.Sorry for putting a smile on your post but don't confuse finding something funny with finding something right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 18, 2018 @Indomitus My base was compromised too i found slogans in German written on the wall along with " Adolf was here" and while i was inside a walled up area, no doors or windows, this guy was inside my place withing 4 minutes of my arrival before he appeared behind me (? how) ) and then killed me Yes they should wipe NA 9 and also Adolf from the game and remove from the game certain items that the griefers can use to exploit and get around the locked doors and PB. Until BI do this, the MP explore games will lose players Its disheartening , isn't it? you do all this work to help people to lay the game then some racist immature idiot arrives and wrecks it on you ...and also everyone else. Now you know why i am on a pvte server. Perhaps you should contact Bojo for details of our discord and join us on a pvtre sane mp game. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 18, 2018 @BigBoss87 Understood but i am rather hot under the collar at the moment because the efforts of Myself, Bojo and others to help new arrivals to the game are being wrecked by idiots like Adolf ..and Conan who just want to play by their rules and consider offensive behavior to be the norm. Bi needs to wipe NA 9 to get rid of the names and buildings and slogans which are offensive . the should also wipe the accounts of those who show they have no regard for others, socially or culturally. Ns BI should also work to making PVE just that, and also fix the myriad of exploits we are seeing emerging .. which have been reported since 0.6 and have not been fixed All we want is ag me we can play and enjoy ..and it is an enjoyable game , except for the griefers being allowed to run riot. If these guys want PVP they should go to a PVP server, but they are little wannabees who are afraid of mixing it with the big guys. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bojo2736 1016 Posted June 18, 2018 I came back to find my locked doors under my barrier unlocked and wide open. No, I didn't leave them unlocked. For one thing, I always lock behind me. For another they were double doors, and I never unlocked both at the same time. My keys were on me. The only other copy, is in Kim's inventory. Neither one of us took them out of inventory. So how. How did they manage to unlock under a protective barrier? Please @Ane relay to the team that these security exploits are making the game unplayable on the public servers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
handofthesly 214 Posted June 18, 2018 Have people figured out how to hack in Ylands already or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indomitus 388 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) From what everyone's describing, it sounds like a hack or a mod of some kind. If that's the case, then none of the public servers are safe, PVE or otherwise. To be able to unlock a door within someone else's PB, seemingly without a key? They would need to be able to view the door's properties, get the code, and make a key to exactly that code. It's a mod, or they have access to the server itself in the Editor. When I visited their base, the PB behaved exactly as it should have and I wasn't able to do anything except look around. Edited June 18, 2018 by Indomitus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimbuck 746 Posted June 18, 2018 I did a google search and found out there' a readily available tool for hacking pc multiplayer games like Ylands ...and Ylands is on their list. need i say more? Keep off Multiplayer PVE public servers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites